Installeren van cane grill cloth op een frame

[flo123]

Ik heb "cane grill cloth" dat ik strak wil bevestigen op een houten frame met een nietapparaat.

Dit spul is erg taai en lastig om te buigen rond een frame om dan vast te nieten.
Voordat ik de boel kapot maak:
Heeft iemand misschien een tip over hoe ik dit taaie grill cloth het beste kan bevestigen?
Moet dit soms nat gemaakt worden of zo?

Alvast bedankt!

[nico verduin]

Moet dit soms nat gemaakt worden of zo?

Alvast bedankt!yep......
Nat maken
Bespannen en vastnieten
Laten drogen

[flo123]

Bedankt voor de tip.

En dan nieten tegen de zijkant van het houten frame of tegen de achterkant?

[master99]

Ik doe dat aan de zijkant .. dat scheelt weer een extra knik/bocht die er voor kan zorgen dat het minder strak wordt.

Gr,
Erik

[flo123]

Bedankt!

Mijn zoektocht leverde tot nu toe het volgende (elkaar zo nu en dan tegensprekende) tips op:

Tube Town geeft als tip:
Eerst bespannen en nieten, dan vochtig/nat sprayen met een plantenspuit.

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=446688
Marshall Basketweave grill cloth installation 101
(Een mooie uitleg met fotos over bespannen en nieten, maar niets over nat maken)

http://www.tdpri.com/forum/amp-central-station/28044-diy-cabinet-making.html#post261646
The trick with cane is soaking it for 30 minutes or so in water. It softens and expands. As it dries it tightens. I like to use 3/4 pine for the cabs as well.

http://www.tdpri.com/forum/amp-central-station/28044-diy-cabinet-making.html#post261812
I use Country Seat superfine prewoven wicker cane. It takes a good hour of soaking in water that starts off really HOT to loosen up the fibers. Drip out as much water as possible, then staple one side to the BACK (not the edge!) of the baffle board, and *stretch* it as much as possible to the opposite side/back of the baffle board and staple (yes, you do want to have pre-finished the baffle board with something that repels water - it's also nice to spray paint the front of the baffle in flat black). It'll feel like the cane won't stretch, but it does just a little and that's crucial to getting a drum-tight cane grille. Stretch and staple the other sides Trim off any excess cane, and neatly fold and staple the corners (hint: you MUST round off ALL the edges and *corners* of the baffle board when cane grilling!). Trim the corner folds. Allow a few hours for the cane to dry drum tight. The next day, you can mist on a few light coats of clear to seal the cane (both sides). I also wick in some thin CYA to the corner folds to ensure they won't ever unfold - probably overkill, though.

http://www.tdpri.com/forum/amp-central-station/134167-diy-homemade-cab-combo-write-ups.html#post1525762
Cover baffle with wicker cane
Soak cane grille for 45 minutes in hot water
Staple cane or cloth to baffle (allow to cane to dry and shrink)

http://www.ax84.com/bbs/dm.php?thread=327723
I use it a lot. It doesn't really stretch at all. I wouldn't put water or steam on it - you'll probably wreck it. I've read on other forums that you can steam it or wet it, but I think they must have been using different stuff than the Marshall cane.
I've found it's pretty easy to line up and pull across a baffle with my hands, because of the rows of little knots on there. You just have to make sure it stays straight in both directions and use a lot of staples. I fold mine all the way around to the back for stapling, and use a staple every 1/2" or so, doing one long edge first, then the other, then the 2 shorter edges, from the corners in to the middle on the short edges (helps to avoid wrinkles). I put the staples in perpendicular to the grill cloth edge, but at a slight angle, so the 2 flat parts of the staples each hold against a row of cane.
The corners are the hardest. I've tried all sorts of crazy ways of trimming the cane and folding little flaps around the corners, but I'm not really satisfied with any of them, so you're on your own there ;-) When I'm done, I go around the whole thing once more with a hammer and a big punch, and knock the staples in snugly, which also pulls the cloth tighter. (It's a PITA, but it makes it look real nice).

http://www.ax84.com/bbs/dm.php?thread=327723
I ended up trying some gentle steam with a regular iron after I stapled the Cane, just to see if it tightens things a bit.
It Worked!
It doesn't "shrink" much, but the end result was a flat, smooth surface and I think it took up some slack
I'm gonna build a jig for frameless cabinets to mount the grills more quickly and get tension.
For the rest I will use a face Frame as Jon suggested.

http://www.300guitars.com/300s-tips/300-tip-how-to-fix-loose-sagging-grill-cloth/
Grill Cloth – How to Tighten Sagging Grill’s
... Then take a hair dryer or if you have experience, a heat gun and blow the warm air evenly over the entire baffle. The heat will tighten the grill and the sag will disappear! Be careful not to get too close to the grill especially with a heat gun. Use the heat gun on low heat settings and keep both the hair dryer and heat gun about 12 inches away from the baffle. Go slowly and check the grill during the process. If the grill feels too hot let it cool down for a moment and continue until you get the desired result.
For amps with cane type grills such as a Mesa/Boogie or Marshall there is a similar procedure. Again remove the speakers and baffle from the amp. Get a spray bottle and fill it with water. Spray the grill evenly until it is saturated but not so much that water is dripping and running off of it. Just saturate the cane grill. Next repeat the same procedure as above with the hair dryer or heat gun. You can use more heat with the cane material and it will actually respond better.